ANARCHO-CAPITALISM, COMMUNISM, UBI AND ECONOMICS

April 20, 2022

S01 - E10

RSnake takes on some meaty topics such as anarcho-capitalism, UBI, Keynesian vs Austrian economics, and the future of social media with Morgan Warstler. RSnake also explored some of Morgan's ideas around stopping Communist Party aggression, economic pressure points that Texas could leverage to exert it's dominance on the world stage as well as how Morgan pitched specific interpretations of the constitution and breaking up Washington DC to Donald Trump at the Oval Office. Errata: RSnake and Morgan were trying to name Timur Kuran in the section about Preference Falsification.

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Morgan Warstler

VIDEO TRANSCRIPT

It's a pretty sizable amount, but it's not just that you are a Republican that is a minority of my friends. It's not just that. It's also, you seem to have a totally different way of thinking about it. It's not just state's rights and call it a day sort of thing or christianity and that's it. You seem to have a very strong sense of where things are going. And I think that's pretty compelling for people to hear.

Morgan Warstler

Okay. I refer to my kind of thinking as digital conservatism. My whole kind of philosophy is that from an economic standpoint, everything that you think about as being free market or capitalist or conservative or pro-business, or however you want to think about it, property rights.

It's all premised on the atomic meaning. If I have a dirty old shoe, you don't have a dirty old shoe. And if you have a 16 inch television, I do not have that television. And that the unfortunate reality of zero sum in atoms, you either have it or I have it, is the foundation of property rights.

And that the moment you can have a copy and I can have a copy, you're in the Superman-Bizarro world. And if people could copy food or copy oil, there would be riots in the streets. If we said, "No, you can't have as much oil in food as you want."

And because of that, it seemed clear to me that if you stand next to a digital file, or a song, or a piece of software or a movie or a 3D script for making an object, and you say, "This is property and we're going to defend it." Like atoms, all you're doing is making atoms look like they're not worth as much.

You're convincing everybody out there that grabbing somebody's atoms is the same. And if instead conservatives say, "Ah, no, wait a minute. You can have all the classes from Harvard for free and all the music and all the movies. And you're the bottom half of the population. We want you to have everything because hell, it's hard enough to keep up.

Let alone be able to pay for all this stuff that the top half has. So, you should all have it." And when you do that, I think it makes Atomic property far more. It valorizes it. And it lets people understand when we say, "Sorry man, I can still shoot you if you try to come into my house and take my dirty old shoe." And digital property, right? The idea of IP.

It doesn't mean that you can take my song and sell copies of it. We can go find your pile of Belty Luca and take it from you. But what we can't do is build a government big enough to break all DRM and track everything that's going on in order to enforce no sharing of something that can be infinitely copied.

Like you need an infinite size government to keep something copyable from being copied. And that's not pro-market. That's not small government.

Robert Hansen

So, you're just playing this out to the absurdity of, where could this go if someone actually wanted to make this all actually enforce all these crazy laws.

Morgan Warstler

I was in a unique position. I came out of Hollywood and I built one of the biggest Hollywood dirt bombs in 2000.

Robert Hansen

Well, you were also involved in one that was quite successful and well-known as well.

Morgan Warstler

Anyway, we went through this process where I was dealing with digital content and I went around to the studio, says, "Hey, I built this platform where you guys will license it from any this tech and it'll deliver your content to people over 56 million. And they said, "Oh, you're really HBO, we're not giving you any of our content."

And so, I had to go make content just because they didn't want to license me when we started. And that process got me thinking early on around what's really going on where this thing is... There's no way we're going to be able to keep people from having your movie, from having your song spread. And the moment I shrugged and learned to love it, I didn't lose any of my politics, or I didn't lose any of my economics. It just was a natural thing.

And so, I met and dealt with this SAG and RIAA and advised them when the SAG actors literally were like renegotiating their local TV commercials. And I was like, "Look, these are going to be national spots. You don't realize it because they're taking these cheap commercials you did and planning on putting them out over Mark Cuban's broadcast.com and the rest of it."

And so, they went on strike around the subject, and then I dealt with SAG and RIAA because they were chasing Jonas and Nicholas around who were doing Kaza. And they were chasing them all. David Boys were chasing them all over Hollywood. And I was in a position there to be like, "Look, you guys are going to benefit.

Music labels are going to benefit long term from this. You've just got to get over the music sale bit of it, because people are still going to have to spend their money on music." Meaning if you've got to buy every album, there's a very high barrier to you becoming a fan. If you have every song and even the tape. I followed the Dead.

So, if you have all the shows and all the clips, and you know all of it, you are a fan and you haven't spent any money. And it's not real to you that you are a fan until you spend your money.

Robert Hansen

Quick side story. Actually I know the guy who ran grateful.org. So, he actually had the biggest online collection of grateful tapes, people had done bootlegs.

Morgan Warstler

If you're aware of that culture it's very hard when you're watching digital files, move around to not think, "Hey, wait a minute, there's no downside to this." And everybody's screaming, "Oh my God, oh my God." It seemed like they were literally saying, "Let's not feed people who we want to be hooked on our food." And it doesn't make any sense.

I think most of the guys in the music label industry at this point know, will admit outright that the ticket prices just went parabolic the moment everybody hand all the songs for free because you still had to spend your money. And that doesn't mean you can't sell music. It just means you can't try to use the government to keep people who aren't going to pay or can't pay from getting a copy of it.

And if you have been to China and you've seen how they're labeling music system runs, there's no music sales whatsoever. But they still have rock stars and an infinite number who will raise their hand and say, "Yes, I'd like to be a rockstar."

So, the system works without having any actual music sales. And I think it's the tragedy that right now we have poor people who we do not let be part of every aspect of edge culture right when the movies come out, so they know what the topic is, they know what everybody's talking about. So, they are participating because they don't have the resources to do it.

Morgan Warstler

Yeah. And would hurt. True wit has to reach in and grab your heart and squeeze. I got a little thing I can promote. I got a dead great, great aunt named Dawn Powell. Who when I grew up, all of her novels, about half of them were about a girl who leaves, or a guy who leaves a small town in Ohio and moves to the big city in order to make their way in fashion or art or music or whatever.

And Hemingway called her his favorite living comic writer. And she's got two volumes in the Library of America. And there's stuff she wrote in 1930 that is still so brutal that if you read it now, it's offensive. Like preaching that women, pretty women should bounce from one rich husband to the next climbing higher and higher and higher, because the guys are only marrying them to look good to the other guys.

And so, she should always find the highest guy in that circle and let him do it with her again and preaches it. And it's all done around advertising. And her whole point is that marriage is advertising. And she brutalizes it in this play called Big Night where you watch this happen. And I can't imagine.

Robert Hansen

That's pretty brutal.

It's incredibly complicated to learn to make an argument correctly. To make a really perfect argument. And you sometimes have got to start at really weird places and try to get into it a different way in order to find the smartest way to do it. And each new person is worth an infinite amount of time if you can see progress being made or be pulling out admittances or making them go, "Aha." And you want to get those done. Eventually an AI is going to be able to figure out how to do this.

Robert Hansen

And in a couple of cases, you've been dead on. Absolutely dead, dead on. And I was tracking, and one was a bet you made about the amount of COVID deaths in Austin. I forget, was somebody was betting you that they would write a thousand-word essay or something. And it was by October whenever it was, or whatever.

So, I put it on my calendar to go back and check the numbers, just so I could see what would happen. And sure enough, you were absolutely, completely right. Do you remember that bet?

I used to sit with Andy at a bar in Venice while he did the dredge report. This was 2001, 2002. And I mean, I was buddies with him. We had met, actually, if you go back to the very first time, Drudge was on book notes with Brian Lamb on CSPAN in like '97. Call her out of Hollywood. I'm literally awake at 5:00 In the morning in order to call in and watch this. I used to always watch C-SPAN.

Like the caller who says, "You have no idea who you're talking to Brian Lamb. This is Matt Drudge and if you're a junkie out there, you can just get a web TV at this point and know more about what's going on in the news than most of the people who are making the news at this point."

Robert Hansen

Sad commentary.

Morgan Warstler

But I was fascinated. And so, Drew was Huffington's Ariana's personal assistant. And I had pitched. I met Frank Lance in '94 when he was doing the polling work with Newt Gingrich for the contract with America. And I was at a junk mail firm, and they were like, "Find something that you can generate new money with."

And so, I went and kind of got into the polling of words and phrases, talking to Lance, and said, "Look, I'm going to I set up this thing with the RNC where it was called The Right Word." And it was going to be Lance's polling on a monthly basis on 10 subjects where all the different words and phrases, family values, value of families were tested.

And it was just going to be a Dicatte that accrued more and more for a fined replace thing so that everybody in the party would be required to always use the exact same phrase and no deviation. If you have to say it 15 times in every speech, that's what you do. And we're all going to talk to the exact same, whatever. And Huffington was the editor who was brought on mm-hmm.

It was going to be like 300 bucks a year. And the New York Times on a Sunday came out with this article called Frank Wants a Brainwasher. That doing this crazy thing was brainwashing. And he had to hightail it. He disappeared from American politics and had to go to the foreign markets and live there for like four or five years because of his brainwashing. Which is now standard procedure.

Literally, you can find out what the NPCs are all repeating over and over and over now on Twitter. And it's whatever the poll tested phrase is, and it is what it is. So, I came out of that, Drudge I met Breitbart and I watched him do Drudge saw how it was done. And it was very interesting.

I mean, in fact, we had an opportunity to try to push, or at least I knew a friend of ours was going to be meeting Elon last week and I wanted to say, "Hey, this is what I'd do with Twitter. Think about it." But it came out of that, what I learned with Andy, which was, he sat at a bar and would read all of the news wires, just the headlines with the article text. But they had to link from Drudge to an actual site.

And so, all of the articles from Odd John's Press, or from the AP or whatever they have to go out, is syndicated to this site or this site or my way.com or Canton Repository or whatever it was. And early on I was like, "Hey, why don't we just license all of your bundles from the AP?" And they said, "Oh, you're going to get all the content. Don't worry, you'll have everything." And I was like, "No, I want every article." And they go, "Oh, we won't do that. We won't do that at all."

Traditional anarchy capitalist believe that you're not going to have any government at all, or that we'd be better off if it was all corporations. And like you joined a corporate tribe instead of a national tribe. That kind of thing. There's a great set of books, Jennifer Government, I think the guy's name is Max Barry. But there's a lot of science fiction that's wrapped around this kind of future corporation.

There's a great novel called the Unincorporated Man on the subject. But generally speaking, that's it. They want the government itself to become anarchist. They're an anarchist because they trust corporations. I think of myself as one, because I trust software. I think of software, not necessarily distributed Web3.

But like software as it ultimately does what government is supposed to do, which is dispatch service. This guy needs to go there and do this task and pick this guy up and go do that thing. And I think about government itself as kind of just a bunch of directed and agents all working with kind of a quarterback mindset.

I generally do not want prisoners to vote. I think we should take it away from them. And I think that the only kind of things people should be in prison for are violent acts. I'm a brutalist, meaning I want the government to be small enough. I'd rather have it have brutal action that sometimes not perfectly just. Meaning we could take like the OJ trial right?

We could have taken the entire national GDP and just focused on that one trial and every single person would've had some part of the economy just around figuring out that one trial. And we didn't do that. I mean, we felt like we did, but it employed a lot of people for whatever, but it was still a very small part of our GDP. I think about it just that way. Meaning there's a lot of stuff where we can only get as much justice as we can afford.

Robert Hansen

That's fair enough.

Morgan Warstler

And so, I oftentimes start with what's the least amount we have to spend where we're getting that 80% preto kind of response. And where we spend the 20 and that's good enough. And that means there's a lot of things you shouldn't try people for. It means you probably shouldn't have the death penalty unless you have DNA. It just means be short and if you can't write the law down in a page. I get very nervous about it.

Robert Hansen

Well, me too. But also the idea of that and the following things I'm going to be talking about here. Is not so much whether your personal ethics are involved in it, but more about how does somebody who is a brutalist not necessarily about any individual law, but about getting the capitalist?

Okay, here's the thing. You get the opportunity, you can vote one way, you can vote the other way. We don't really have a middle party in the United States. You have to choose. So, if you have to choose which one are you going to choose. And if you choose the right wing at all costs and you're just like, "Okay, that's my team. I'm going that direction."

There's a set of policies that seem to naturally come out of that, that although they seem pretty brutal on their face, might actually dramatically remove the needle. And if you believe that the right is the correct side of the coin here and that more good things can happen, it seems like despite the fact you might personally, you Morgan might disagree with putting someone in jail for a minor offense.

You should actually agree with a policy that would put as many non-violent Democrats or violent Democrats doesn't really matter in jail for the purpose of making sure they can't vote. Where am I wrong?

Morgan Warstler

Okay. I want to make one caveat because I'm going to agree with the sentence, but only in the weirdest possible way. I think the big mistake that people make is not understanding that the United States system of federalism, state's rights, is not just a legal theory. Fundamentally, what it does is it has kept the talent.

And you can think about it as like the brutal, evil, talent, or just everybody who doesn't have a lot of money, but they’ve got a brain on their hand. It has kept the talent in the United States in charge for 250 years versus capital, which is yesterday's talent, the goons.

We don't have as many goons now as we used to. And the bureaucrats, and we have a ton of those now. Many of the goons have been replaced by bureaucrats. And bureaucrats love to get together with capital and try to be in charge of the talent. And in the United States, the talent just picks up and moves to whichever state kisses their ass best.

And one of the things I always try to get people to look at is a video on YouTube of the population of the states over the past 250 years growing. And they're all growing slowly, but some get out in front and then slide back and forth. And you can see exactly what's going to happen next in the United States and predict it throughout our history by which states are being bum rushed and which states are being fled.

And so, right now, everybody who visualizes somehow the United States isn't going to kick the out of the CCP or that we've got real problems, capitalism's falling apart or all the other junk. They're all starting with the premise that somehow what's happening in California is what's the United States is going to do. That's not going to happen. It's never happened like that. California's being fled by all the talent. New York is being fled by all the talent.

So, if you want to see what's next for the United States. Well it's what Texas and Florida do. We are taking over and when our bureaucrats or capital kind of 20 years from now, 30 years from now, start to try to seize the power like they did when the Tylenol in the 60s and 70s moved to California and Reagan came out of then. He's our DeSantis. And that eventually they chase the talent away. And all it means is the California lost the conk. They no longer speak for what America is or what America will be.

And anybody who's pretending otherwise, can't point to any moment in American history where that's ever happened because the talent just picks up and moves and goes where it gets its ass kissed. And I think that system is so important, so important that if Kentucky said, "We are going to criminalize all kinds of speech that is within our state." I'd probably be like, "Good." Not good that you're doing it, but good that you can do it. I would go back to what we had before the Civil War where states themselves could have religions.

Like I'd let Utah have polygamy and let the Mormons go nuts so that we literally could make Israel a state and tell Palestine that as soon as the last missile lands in Israel, 10 years later, we'll give you territory status. And you can have your state-based religion, and we're not going to take it from you because in the old model and what the US was originally.

It was just a bunch of totally freestanding sovereign states whose sole amount of agreement. Like the littlest amount of agreement was contentious. And it was just like there was no powers given to the federal government. It was all left to the state legislature. In fact, that's why, I don't know if we're talking about this or not, but that's why I was in the Oval last year, right after Trump lost.

Robert Hansen

Yeah, go ahead.

Morgan Warstler

People do not understand Article II, section one of the US Constitution. Says in one sentence, state legislatures, "Effectively choose who gets the electors for president." Meaning they choose who that state's voting for. And you can get into the weeds about it, but it really comes down to they have total control over this thing. And they literally can gerrymander out there, wazoo.

It's very strict and straightforward. And the reason was because the guys who founded the Constitution, they were all visualized themselves as legislators of the state. And the only thing they were concerned about was making sure that they kept there were 11 states showed up, plus the big one, Virginia, so 12. I think Rhode Island stayed home. They wouldn't even show. And they came up with this system, which was, "Look, if we're going to have a president, well we got to pick that guy and we got to pick who the senators are too. And those two who we pick, they'll pick the scotus. So, we'll be in charge of all of that."

And then, the house, that's the common man's thing. And they have the power of the purse. So, our guys, our citizens, who are going to pay those taxes or whatever are going to be responsible for the bills that they incur, they're going to have to be able to vote for that one thing.

But the second one was that by 1967 Colorado says, "Holy cow, we have all this explosion in welfare roles, and we got all these babies we got to take care of." And they looked around and discovered that women had a right to choice. And it took off like wildfire. Like Colorado did it first, and they passed those laws faster than gay rights just happened in the United States. And that was with the internet.

I mean, by '72, SCOTUS was willing to swoop in and say, "Oh, you absolutely have a right somewhere in the 14th amendment or somewhere to do this." And it was a direct reflection of welfare costs." And so, GOP voters are natural, you've got your social conservatives and your low tax guys. My kind of people.

Robert Hansen

That's closer to me.

Morgan Warstler

Yeah. And you say no abortion and you are going to have a much more expensive welfare system and health and education. And that process is going to break the law tax guys off from the social conservatives.

Robert Hansen

Yeah. This is a bit of a weird area where I start diverging between the right and the left pretty dramatically. I totally get the tax and the benefits, and so therefore I end up being on the conservative side. But when we start taking rights away from women, I'm just like, "I can't abide."

So, it seems like conservatives are a bit of a split mind about this because there is definitely upside in having fewer very impoverished women in society.

Morgan Warstler

Yeah, I don't think about that much. I used to tell you, in my theory, I'm in Texas because it rocks. I'm in Florida because it rocks. I got my eye on Colorado in case Texas and Florida don't. And moving is more important than voting. Meaning if you don't pick your butt up and move, Mark Andreessen, there's no excuse for AZ 16 to still be in California.

Throw your weight around and come to Austin, Texas. If you don't pick up and move in order to really register your displeasure, you are furthering a bad system.

So, if I'm here and they make abortion illegal, I will not run right then I will wait and see if the taxes go up and the services go down and I'll make a completely economic based decision. And my attitude is I would trust that long-term, that's the best way to deal with rights.

It's going to put the screws to the Conservatives as well. But we'll get to Artificial rule. The rule will be that you can get it out of you. But if anybody else wants to pay to just state it, it's theirs. That new fight, which is total property rights, that new fight will require that the Conservatives put up or shut up.

It'll drive the feminists crazy because they'll want to have a continued right to it even when it's no longer there because it bothers them or whatever.

Robert Hansen

Interesting. We’ll talk about that.

Morgan Warstler

We'll get there.

Robert Hansen

Yeah. Government workers getting rid of them, because the way I understand it, it has been explained to me as this is a double tax. Because first of all, the typically right leaning, the business owners or whatever are paying for government workers. Then government workers are taking that money and then funding primarily the Democratic Party.

Morgan Warstler

Yeah, I think that it's very hard to argue. Anyone who's just stared at accounting books, and thinks about it in terms of economics, it's very hard to argue that public employees pay income tax at all. They pay sales tax. It's why we should have a sales tax or not an income tax or VAT or land value tax or other stuff. Goods. Consumption-based.

But it's very hard to argue that they're actually because they're just, all we're doing is negotiating how much money they are going to have, then pretending that that extra amount was paid. It just stays in the same account. The same thing happens with union dues. There's just Oh, terminus to a point.

That point is they are union dues and that's all going to go to organizing democratic politics. If you're honest about it, Republicans pay for both sides political parties. They pay all their own donations. Then their taxes pay for the Democrats to run against them. And that drives Democrats crazy. There's no way to, money does not originate in the government. I'm sorry. Talent makes money.

Robert Hansen

That's interesting. Faith. Increasing faith. Because it seems like the more faith there is, the more right-leaning you tend to vote.

Morgan Warstler

With abortion there's a chick. There's a Bruenig girl out there, Elizabeth Bruenig, who's really pushing hard on the Catholic justice, social justice side. I wouldn't be surprised to see a much bigger split down the line there in the near future. Sure. Because you could see the church folks being like, I don't care how much the welfare system costs or how big the taxes have to be in order to keep all those babies alive.

God bless him. If it works out, I'll move back. But I, just generally speaking, I am not a big believer that there shouldn't be any costs to birthing children, meaning the process of. If it were up to me, right, I would set it so that if you have three kids, you don't pay any income taxes, and after until you make 100 grand. At four, 150. At five, 200. At six… Take the people who will want to have a lot of kids and make it so they can really have litters of them.

Because they do a much better job of raising children. Again, statistically speaking, an incredibly good job of raising children. What I'm saying is not that screw poor people. It’s there's a way to make it so that we fix very, very quickly, the welfare system so that young men are marriage material again. Basically, if you're a poor single woman in United States and you have a boy, the chances of him being worth marrying, it's like one out of five of them is a worthy merit. Is worthy to be married.

The girls will do okay. They only have a 20% lifetime earnings fall off. But their boys just go right off the cliff. That creates the cycle of poverty. Because all of these girls, you can't ask them to marry a bunch of guys who are totally worthless. We need a system that grabs those boys at 14 and gives them full-time summer work. Has them working as apprentices and underneath guys in male-dominated industries.

Where they're surrounded by toxic males who actually know how to plumb and weld and fix cars, and earn a living. Because if you take a kid, a boy who's 18. You want to double he’s, low skill, blue collar, you want to double his lifetime earnings, get him married and give him a kid. Doubles his lifetime earnings.

We need a system that takes these kids from 14, 18 and turns them into a skilled. In five, six years, I won't sound like the jerk who said we should really be trying to get rich people to have more children. Because at the bottom, there won't be a bunch of single people who are raising kids who aren't worth very much to us.

Robert Hansen

All right. Next is unincorporated areas, Washington DC being one of them. Puerto Rico, Virgin Islands, etc. It seems like the more of those that we could circle and say, “Well, this is Democrats so they don't get to vote in national elections.” That would certainly help the Republican Party.

I don't even think a lot of people understand that this happens, which is odd. We have a lot of American citizens who just do not have the right to vote.

Morgan Warstler

I would never let Washington DC be a state. If I could make a rule that in order to be an elected Republican in Washington DC, or work in Republican Party, or in any Think Tank, that you literally had to shit on the street as part of having your job there. Three times a day, or twice a day or whatever it is. I would do so to make that place that miserable. It'd be like France. It'd be like Paris. Just terrible everywhere on the street. I would do it to him on purpose.

I’m just trying to give you from my perspective that they should literally feel hated. Even being there, let alone, they should never get to think they're going to be Beijing. We should break that place up. It should be full of museums, and tourist attractions. All the departments should be spread out. There should never be a group of people who go to Harvard and then McKinsey and bounce from department to department to department and think they're going to boss the rest of us around. They're just sick little parasites.

If you want to work for the State Department, you should have to go to school at North Carolina, or South Carolina College because they own the State Department. It's their bespoke little industry. If you want to be in the Justice Department, you get over to Pennsylvania or you got to be in Ohio. If you want to be in DOD, it's in Colorado, and Texas and Florida. We should distribute it because DC is a cancer of just diabolical proportions.

I generally, again, I think that I'd love to have more sovereign Indian nations doing crazy stuff inside our borders. I want to AB test everything. It's just, I think that it behooves us to move everybody to a software platform that's more like Amazon with a lot, with 300,000 different resellers who have some controls over how they present or do things.

But if I want to steal your software settings because yours are working so that, my city is going to run this the way that that other city is. A good idea should spread very, very quickly. Just a few changes in a few bits in the software. It's how I think about it. I'm with you. But I'm with you on the premise that we're eventually going to end up in a software-based government system.

Robert Hansen

Yeah. I think more where this is all going and there's a handful of others. But we can we can skip over it. I think where this is all going is that there seems to be a set of policies that you could bespoke craft these policies to be as hard and as unforgiving as possible in either direction.

Pretty sure Washington, Oregon aren’t going to go for that one.

Morgan Warstler

But I'm not sure. Because that's literally what they did when they got to have an autonomous zone. Doesn't matter if you're making crazy jazz hands, and taking turns talking. They still set up and established rule system that they went out and applied.

Robert Hansen

Yeah. But that didn't end up being a state law. Let's say that was more, what ends up happening in, basically anarcho situations. Anarchies tend to devolve pretty quickly into authoritarian regimes. Whoever has the guns ends up running things. I think that's really what ended up happening in CHAZ.

Morgan Warstler

Yeah. Again, all I just believe, it's just like free speech. I'm a policy maximalist. I want people to be able to try and have far more controls the way the founders originally conceptualized it. I think there's a lot of value in letting people try their crazy things. Part of the reason again, this is just a basic from what I think is very important in education. I think Ruth Bader Ginsburg said this about abortion.

But basically you've got to let people learn the hard lesson themselves. You can't jump them to the back of the book and give them the answer that they're going to eventually get, and expect that there's going to be a cultural institutional knowledge about why we had to have abortion be illegal.

Just let the states get to the point where they're bankrupt. They'll figure it out themselves. Everybody will come to that conclusion. I think that that was a far, far better way. Let kids…

Robert Hansen

Maybe you already know the answer to this. If there was one piece of legislation you could put in place that you think would have the maximal amount of effect for improving Republican turnout or decreasing Democratic turnout or improving policy in general. Is it just stronger states’ rights? Is that what you go for?

Morgan Warstler

I want to replace the government with software. Meaning I believe and have spent years writing code and IP on it. But I believe that we're very close to states adopting software-based frameworks for running the government. That the moment you do that, you start to think about it.

Here's an example. Right now, the Democrats think they're letting on, just all the illegals are charging it. They think, oh my God, we're just throwing it up. They're giggling their heads off about it. The reality is that the sentence is going to come in. You're going to end up with a biometric guest worker visa which is a mobile app that allows me the employer to go, oh, picture, picture. Tap. Tap. Robert the illegal is now legal for six months.

Again, great, great out of the box thinking. A lot of guys who I consider to be, their big motivation is they want a larger welfare basket. The only thing that they're not comfortable with or you don't really know where somebody's head really is because they say they want a welfare basket. But you don't really know where their head is until you watch him force people to work.

Because there's a direct proportion, like with that welfare. Making everybody work for their neighbor. The total amount of consumption of work product goes up. That’s more consumption for poor people. If you just hand them free money there's just bidding up. No new labor occurs. You're just creating inflation for the same amount of services.

Robert Hansen

Definitely going to talk to you about inflation. I think it's time we should talk about your Uber for welfare. I saw a TED Talk by William Rowan. I don't know if that name rings a bell. But I think his idea was a little bit more narrow than yours. It was, seems to be about UBI. But UBI where everything is a government serve. Everything as a platform where people can go to it. It just ended right there.

He didn't start talking about what I think you brought to the table, which was, but there are certain things you can do to incent people to bid down the cost of labor. A lot of people were like, well, let's get the minimum wage up higher. Let's get it to 15. Let's get it to 20, 25, whatever.

You're saying the opposite. We can actually get this number down to virtually nothing. In doing so, there might be some massive economic gains for the United States and for the people on the bottom. Could you get in that the UBI, your version of UBI?

Morgan Warstler

Yeah. I would take every single person who gets welfare. I mean, all of it. From Medicaid, anything from 65 age to 18. I'd let kids in at 14 if they want it. They just join labor.gov as a job site. Right. The minimum bid would be $100 a week. Right. Job offer. It could be a 40-hour week job. It could be anything that somebody wants to put together. But you got to put 100 bucks in the machine. It's going to an escrow.

You can make the job offer to whoever you want. Looks like some version of eBay. The government would come in with 200. Everybody's getting 300 minimum. As the 25 million odd people who are currently not in the labor force participation, not in the job market are put to work, I'm going to have to bid more.

Meaning I get this girl to babysit. I get her again and I get her again. Somebody else is like, “show me people who've been rehired to babysit three times and within this zip code.”

They say, “Oh, I'll give you 140.”

I say, “No, I'll give you 180.” I'm spending 80 more. The government is putting in 40 less. She's coming out of the deal with 340. Right. The government is putting in less. You've got the economy cruising along. Anybody who nobody offers them a job at $100 a week, $5,200 a year. Or 5100 because everybody gets a paid big one week vacation or however you want to think about it. Just give them the 3, 290, whatever it is and then be done with it.

But if someone offers you work, you've got to choose your boss, is how I think about it. I would only let small businesses and families hire these people. I think that what that does is it creates a class of SMBs, of small business owners that, I'll get into this in a second. But it creates, it puts them in a position to do battle with the fortune 1000.

Because off the bat, that number where it tops out is, I'm spending 480. The government’s still putting in 10. It's at 490. If Walmart wants to hire somebody, they they're coming in at 500 bucks a week. You're going to have 25, 30 million people in this capitalism kiddie pool. Training, training wheels low, as shallow end of the pool member.

Robert Hansen

It’s giving them a resume. It's giving them something to talk about, and experience.

Morgan Warstler

I refer to this, when you flip it over. I refer to this as libertarian slave reparations. The way that I think about it is that every nationality, every group, every tribe, that arrived, that came in the United States, they all were originally organized by their entrepreneurial god-kings. The guys who are smart enough to figure out we can all do this.

They always competed on being the cheapest labor, right? The Irish showed up, and they were the cheapest labor. Before them, the Germans and after them, the Italians and Chinese came in. They were always organized and took their part of society where an entrepreneurial class organized them on low-cost labor.

The only group that never had that opportunity was black Americans. I don't mean people coming from Nigeria right now. I mean, black Americans who were brought over as slaves. I look at what happened to them. As the real issue is that my guys, the entrepreneur god-kings, they did not get to seize their part of the economy. I look at this system, how to fix that.

Because if you are in a high, anywhere you have a lot of poor people, you can easily say, okay, you’ve got to work for anybody outside half a mile or a quarter mile radius or a zip code. Whatever you come up with for Illinois or Chicago. Overnight, you have a certain group of people who have massively discounted low-cost labor to go compete with and compete on low-cost labor against everybody else. To grab up that part of the market.

There will be blood. There will be wealth transfer. There will be a lot of landscapers in North Chicago who are furious about this. Or dry cleaners, or barbecue shops or whatever you want to think of it as. But that process is self-leveling. As long as a group of people continue to be poor, they will continue to have a dramatically lower cost of labor of inputs.

If you're a landlord, right, and you’re originally redlined. You're a black guy who owned a couple of buildings, and you got screwed by the real estate industry in the 60s and 70s and 80s. Right now, this could be the defining benefit to you. Because the cost of your terms of pulling out the carpet, fixing up the place, rehabbing the properties and all the rest.

My thinking is that Democrats don't love doctors very much. I don't think they have any love lost with the AMA. The AMA is going to kick and scream. But the only way you can really solve that riddle is if you let the top half go. You let the PPO guys continue to be more expensive. Continue to have all the concierge stuff. Continue to invent new equipment. Continue to do all that stuff, and let the bottom, just throw souls at it.

Import as many as you can. I think Democrats if they cared, really cared about it, they'd stop. It's so confusing to say Medicare for all because people imagine that they're going to have access to the better doctors. It's so weird. It's like, you're still going to go to the same doctor who's currently getting Medicaid rates. What's going to change if you pay Medicare rates? There's no new doctors anywhere. You're still going to that same guy.

Why are we even celebrating Medicare for all? Well, if you just want to talk about we should add this to Medicaid, well, I'd much rather have house calls and whatever. Because if you want to take care of homeless people, or people who are outside or on the edge, you need, everybody has to have a cell phone that is turned on 24/7.

You basically got to give them stuff so you can track them. So you can reach them. You got to be able to get to them before their medication runs out so they don't go Florida man and end up being a crime stat. I mean, that's literally, if you talk to, anytime you have a Florida man experience or Florida man environment, there's always a caseworker.

I've spent time with the HHS in Texas in Florida. You talk to these people. There's always a medication that somebody wasn't taking. They always know who the guy was, where we've had instances before. You have to sit on top of that if you really want to solve for it.

Robert Hansen

Alright. Let's change the topic a little bit back to, you had mentioned the government should have the back end of social media. We happen to be in the offices of a social media company. I'd be curious if you could elaborate, I know you're working a little bit with the Truth Social guys.

Morgan Warstler

I've spent a year watching from the sidelines, the Truth stuff. From both the Dework side and the truth guys. I'm familiar with, Twitter. Twitter nuked my account.

Robert Hansen

I saw this. I was going to bring that up actually.

Morgan Warstler

When I set up Break It Up, the plan to break up Washington DC. I was, literally, I was in the Oval. I spent 45 minutes talking about this to Trump at the resolute desk. Literally Donald Jr., Miller and Gretel all went out and started mentioning this on TV. My 13-year-old Twitter account disappeared.

I can't play it all out in my head. It's amazing the number of financial people I asked who didn't know the answer to this. Today, he files the 13 G or whatever the paperwork was. It's sitting at 54.

Morgan Warstler

I don't, I can't figure it out. Meaning BlackRock, Vanguard, Morgan Stanley, they all have eight or 9% of the thing. They're all owners of Tesla of sizable amount as well, probably just by size meaning they have so much. That I suspect that at some point, your shareholders in those funds would have to be like, “I'm suing you.” I want, meaning the amount of discovery.

If there's anybody having any conversations about anything other than achieving maximum shareholder value, then you've violated your fiduciary concern. I can't imagine that there's not a lot of woke ESG noise going on in there that might not be covered.

Robert Hansen

I think there's already one lawsuit. I even think I saw the filing for it. I'm sure there will be more coming. But my question is more, what do you think Trump is going to do? Or if you were Trump, what would you do if you had Twitter?

Morgan Warstler

Oh, he's not. He would 100% jump on Twitter.

Robert Hansen

He would just get back on there. Just go at it again. Do you think Elon’s just going to free for all, just anybody gets do whatever, or control thing in place?

Morgan Warstler

I think that he or I've heard that he’d let Trump on but there'd still be limits. Well, yeah. I mean, I don't think that anybody is agreeing that Nazis get to march in Twitter immediately. This is what I mean. I think that there's a model that Twitter has to evolve to. That is like AWS where you have an account that you can pay hosting, and your DMs.

The very next step for me is the taxpayers pick up the $3 a year or $4 a year for as many people who want it on Facebook or Twitter with the state of Texas. If I can go and say, “Hey, here's my driver's license.” They will establish my username is Morgan Warstler, Texas-1 or whatever it is. That inside my DM, I should be able to create or link anonymous accounts, so that they can report in an O-off environment that even when I'm running around is big tool for you or whatever the hell it is.

This is actually a real person. We know who this person is. I don't think that this should. I don't think it should be news to people. I just think that it is going to be news. But you should expect that there are going to be natural digital civil rights created by red states that look very much like what Texas would want your rights to be like on the internet.

Which is, we gave them this DM. We gave them this lockbox. He's storing all kinds of stuff in there. We won't open it for civil warrant or a low grade felony because we believe that it's worth it to us as a state to provide that level of digital rights. I think it's the same way with Bitcoin. I think that Texas is going to fight to take over. I think red states are going to get rid of Know Your Customer, to some degree because it looks pretty clear to me, I mean, at least from where I'm sitting.

It's not only an industry, meaning, Georgia, Florida, Texas really kicking it, whatever. There are half a million miners coming from China that are all heading to mostly red states or purple states. I expect that they will naturally take a quarter point of their tax revenues and dump it into Bitcoin. They'll do it in order to basically point a gun at the Fed and say, “you can go ahead and try and print in order to pay off the debts of the blue bankrupt states. But we're going to get richer on that inflated dollar.”

It's just because of, if you look at you look at economic history, there is no US monetary policy. When Rick Perry, I think Ben Bernanke wouldn't want to come down here. He was speaking as Texas is kicking ass. We have balanced budgets. We're winning. We don't want money to be inflated, the way that California and Illinois do.

Which was largely from the Great Depression, right? That's where a lot of that thinking came from.

Morgan Warstler

Yes. Maybe gold buggery is crazy. I think we're going to end up with a dual system where you'll have a Bitcoin that doesn't inflate.

Robert Hansen

But Bitcoin does inflate.

Morgan Warstler

You don't print more of it, meaning there's going to be 20 million coins, 21 million coins, and that's what it is. And it'll replace, it'll be used for cash, to some degree, when you don't want anybody to know that you're using it. And it'll be like gold, which is a hedge against inflation.

Then I think there'll be this digital dollar, that you use for taxes and the rest of it. The important thing, I think, when you think about currency in the United States or what's been going on. When the pandemic happened, literally, the Federal Reserve became the… they backed up every other central bank.

They sold that to Russia.

Morgan Warstler

Exactly. Right. And I'm a believer, right? That the US benefits from that. And if you close your eyes and think about it, you can just… I got this wallet, and BTC. And my digital dollars are on it. I started with BTC and it broke my shithole countries, Fiat privileges.

Because suddenly 30% of the wealth was all being hidden in Bitcoin. Texas was happily letting everybody hide it and got rid of Know Your Customer, because they wanted the industry to go bonkers. And they're making bitcoins worth a million dollars. And Texas was doing it on purpose.

Eu countries are trying to print more in order to cover and they can't. And when they crash, the Fed swoops in and goes, “We got this, from now on you'll use the digital dollar for your taxes and your transactions and whenever.” BTC sits as a hedge, Fed can't take it down, and they inflate too much.

Everybody moves to BTC and you get this equilibrium that I think is going to become, and if you're a native, you're a US native, you benefit immensely. Because all of those dollars that have to be printed out of air, they start off as welfare checks for us natives. That's how they enter the system.

The first guy who gets to use that money is oh, we have this sick welfare system in the US that's premised on all the top 1% move here and kick ass.

Robert Hansen

Let's talk about inflation. So I pay a lot of attention to the lower end of the market, because I think they're bellwethers of what's really happening. One thing I saw is the dollar stores now $1.25, for instance, that's not an 8% increase, that's a 25% increase to the bottom of the market.

I'm just looking around at property that is now worth 30% more than it was a handful of years ago. It's not like that property is 30% better than it was a couple of years ago. It's just that the amount of value of your dollar has shrunk by 30% in Austin.

I think that's very scary. Where do you see that going for people who just have cash and have always been told to be fiscally responsible and have some cash on hand?

Morgan Warstler

If you're sitting on a bunch of cash, you're probably screwed. We've been here before, right? Grand unified political theory stuff is, for me, having been around or at least attuned to it when I was younger at a very early age. JFK and LBJ, creator of a big new social welfare plan, their Obama, who created a big new social welfare plan, right.

The next guy to come in is Nixon, and Trump because the Jacksonians wake up and go, Holy Jesus, who thinks they're in charge of this place, and it's all these young kids running around like, oh, we won, we're in charge. We're going to boss everybody around.

They literally create a Gollum, a ship monster and send them to DC in order to just curb stomp these people and adapt. It scares, the democratic power, whatever, but it doesn't scare the young kids who are not in charge, but they still think they're right.

There's going to be another JFK or another Obama, just around the corner. And so the Democrats go out and they get themselves Southern, or passable conservative Carter, or Biden, the moderate whatever. But they're literally puppets.

Because the progressive young take over, and you watch what used to be a relatively moderate centrist, fake centrist, just shit the bed, just ruin it in front of everybody, right? So we've gone boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, that last cycle of LBJ, Nixon, Carter birthed us 28 years of conservative politics.

Reagan, Reagan, Bush, they literally were like, “Oh, let's try a Mondale.” The only state that Reagan didn't win, “Well, let that guy roll, we’ll try to caucus.” And literally, only then did they say, “Okay, let's get to southern Bubba's. And they're going to run on age of big government is over.

And they're barely going to win with 43% of the vote. And we're going to need Ross Perot in there in order…” they took all of that. And that was still not enough. Literally, he had to get rid of welfare, and all the rest of it. And all the way down for eight more years of Bush.

28 years before, you got to a point where there was an Obama who was like, “I'm going to be at JFK, I'm going to do it again.” that cycle to me, I would be terrified if I were a Democrat looking at that, I'd be like. It' s because when I was little, you'd be like, “Why are they running this guy this mean, little guy in a tank with his helmet on acting like they just…”

Democrats were dedicated to the idea that they were going to go back and get that thing they had from their youth, right? The Boomers however, if you look at them, they went from being these hippie dippie crazy kids who thought they were in charge of everything. By the time they hit 1980. They're starting to be yuppies.

My favorite Polling system is a thing from USC, daybreak, and they get a giant sample, right. And they send them an email once a week, and break them into groups of five or whatever. And say, “Who are you voting for? Who is your friends going to vote for? And what's your intensity to vote.” kind of thing.

And they just measure those. And the idea is by asking the same people, large set over and over and over, you eventually get them to give up their thing. My thing is, put everybody in it. Hell, my thing is, we should have blockchain voting.

You should be able to vote and change your vote as many times as you want, between January and midnight on the day of. And that's our poll. We know exactly who's winning and losing all the time. Because we can literally look at a bunch of votes that are all registered and say, “This guy is winning right now.” And we don't even need polls.

Robert Hansen

I want to change the topic slightly. I have heard a lot of people on the right say this thing that the left can't meme. Which I think is actually a funny meme. And you as somebody who Pervaiz or trades in memes, a lot of them. I thought this would be an interesting conversation real quick here.

Robert Hansen

I really like that. But what why is it that we are discounting how important these mimetic, these memes in the Dawkins sense of memes are to both popular culture and politics and all these things, it seems like, a lot of people are discounting, how good these memes have been.

They own the media. I'm just fascinated by, you'd think that everybody would think in terms of that idea is as good as how much does it cost to make the idea pass? Meaning if you've got to spend huge amounts of money in order to maintain this narrative, it seems like you're admitting to some degree how bad the idea is.

If somebody can just slap together some Pepe thing and with a snarky comment and a picture of somebody and whatever and it sinks right to the teeth, and just neutralize everything that you're doing, and you can't get Biden past 35% and whatever. At some point you've got to say, money can't make this idea work.

Robert Hansen

Because the last one, there was communism, I think it's worth talking about communism as a model here. So I am currently watching China and their lockdowns in Shanghai. I don't know if you've watched this at all, but apparently, it's 20 Plus cities. It's not just Shanghai, Shanghai is just I think possibly the worst of them are one of the worst.

Morgan Warstler

Why do you think they're doing it?

Robert Hansen

Going to zero Covid is their answer. I think that the reason they're doing it is they want to exert as much political control as they possibly can. Put as many police checkpoints, as much surveillance, understand as much as they possibly can about their population and control as much as they possibly can.

Possibly kill a lot of people in the process, political adversaries, as well as watch who using their social credit score, who's going to be the complainers so that they can neutralize those targets as quickly as possible. It's the opening salvo to a much more authoritarian regime than it already exists in China.

Morgan Warstler

Talent rules. Doesn't matter, talent rules. So in a totalitarian state, USSR, North Korea, they literally control their talent and put up walls so that they could enslave them, make them do things, or we're going to kill your grandma or wife or send you to the Gulag, or whatever the hell it is, right.

The whole premise of the Cold War was literally watching the talent try to defect, right, “I defect. I don't want to go back, I request that you let me stay here.” That was a guy who didn't even have roots here, you're just showing up like, “Don't make me go back.” A mafia state is a totalitarian state that isn't strong enough to be a totalitarian state.

The way they incentivize their talent, to participate in their corrupt mafia activities, is you can fucking leave. You can get the fuck out, you can get a Trump condo, after you squirrel away some dollars, just don't make any problems for us. And you can go over there.

Well, we can put the wall up, virtually, meaning database, every single person who's in the CCP, everyone has got a family member in the CCP and just randomly select 1000 of them and say you either defect right now, publicly renounced Chi and everything else that goes with it.

Where you get the fuck out, you're not living in anywhere in the West, sell your asset, you go back. And in my opinion, I can't say I'm right, but in my opinion, there will instantly overnight within the entire Chinese CCP be a Holy Jesus.

Because the guys who actually run the thing with the, you can get the fuck out rule, are now forced into a position where they're being publicly humiliated, total loss of face and they either have to put up the wall or admit they're a mafia state. And forget about testing the United States Texas metal, because the US just pulled the Texas move.

Overnight, they're in a position where if you want to keep making our washing machines you can and we don't care if you have slave labor or not, that was bullshit. But we're going to do the mining in Africa ourselves and give you the raw materials that are unnecessary, and we'll print as many dollars as we need to bid for those.

If you look at what just happened in the last election, right, there's a bunch of folks in the work from home. The economics guys in the work from home space. Your ex-wife venture will build tell you a bit about this. A buddy of mine Anna Mosnick was the chief economist for Upwork and is now at EIG. And there's a bunch of them.

But basically, there are doughnuts in every major urban county, Travis County, Miami Dade, whatever Houston is, downtown Dallas, San Francisco, look at the map of what just happened in the movement. Every major urban county lost overall population and all of the surrounding Absa counties gained population.

And in the 2020 election, they all voted Trump, the donut voted Trump and the hole voted even more for Biden, in all of these markets. Even in San Francisco, that donut didn't vote for Trump, but it voted more for Trump than the whole of the donut did. The movement was all from the center to the excerpt where people are like, I need more space.

I got to get away from all these crazies, there's homeless people all over the place. I can't have these people around. Literally my Facebook for Austin ANIC, we've lost kids. The town is booming. There's just more people moving here all the time. And we have less kids.

And it's because families with three and four kids are like moving out and one guy is moving in and buying their house. And he is the secret gun collector who has been waiting to let his toxic masculinity freak fly, freak flag fly.

No, Talib is another guy. He did a great podcast with Eric Weinstein on the portal. But basically, the day before the USSR fell, they had polls showing 80% support for the Politburo. And the lying gets louder, the more people are not supporting it at all. The more that you're forced into it, the louder your lie will be, you'll ham it up to a point where you're just faking it, and making fun of it while you do it.

But the research on it really messes with polling, it really messes with it. And what it means is, anytime you try to authoritatively force people into something, the more you push, the more they hide and obscure what they're really after.

If you look at the voting, because I was watching in, I follow local precincts pretty closely, I was watching the vote by mail on early vote turnout in these in the county surrounding Travis. And it was just going through the roof, and I couldn't for the life of me figure it out. I was like, Well, Jesus, if it's really the Democrats turnout early, were going to get slaughtered.

And it wasn't, like they just went big time for Trump. And if you knew the people, they were families who all picked up and moved to Dripping Springs and Buda and San Marcos, and they all did it because like half of them it was a cultural thing.

If you look at the numbers with Hispanics in Texas, a generation of Hispanics have been lost for the Democratic Party. There are in Starr County, crazy stat, Stark County, but Tejanos, Hispanic. In the census data 2020, Texas Tribune says this, that 96% are Hispanic, and of those 99% reported their race as white.

The whitest County in Texas, is on the border in El Paso. And it's full of people who date back to longer than we were here, 1540 whatever. And in their minds, they no longer want to be called Hispanic. Like they're just out of there, they're done with it. Because they've turned white into just being American at this point.

Robert Hansen

To them white is a culture, it's not an ethnicity. White is an ethnicity.

Morgan Warstler

They’ve literally turned it into like saying I'm for America is being white. And I can't believe that they're still out there telling people using the phrase Latin X, its bonkers.

Robert Hansen

All right? Tell me about GovWhiz, I think this is going to be interesting the audience along these lines got so

Morgan Warstler

I did a bunch of work with Qualcomm C suite years and years ago, 2014, 13 where I've just done so many startups that it was like, we go in and get to look at their three year out R&D, and put together programs that were kind of like not fake startups, but showcases startups to take real edge tech and show it off.

One of the things that we did was AR, we just did an AR thing, literally before it became the euphoria package that they had, so long ago. But in the course of that, they said, “If you ever come up with something that that it's going to sell a billion dollar chips just tell us and whatever.”

In the course of building this thing, had a brain wave around no coding platform to build mobile apps. I knew and started a conversation with Newt Gingrich. And anytime you talk to politicians, they are incredibly good at absorbing what you just said, and then turning around and like 20 minutes later repeating it in their own way, this is talent.

So they walk in, and they all wrote down their names and wrote GovWhiz, which is the entity. And he did too. But he wrote a Rick Perry. And the gal who is sitting there, instantly picks up the phone and calls this reporter at The Statesman and says “Rick Perry just walked in here meeting with the winery with a company, and this is what he's doing next.”

I hadn't even started coding, I was literally just like, had this idea around the back of lottery tickets should bid, the state has a reason to run something like Groupon, where small businesses can create coupons where they get to keep they only give away a buck or whatever.

So the back of a lottery ticket can be a coupon, it's like Groupon but you don't spend any money and small business benefits. Right? It was just a simple little idea, just to get a sense of how their current ticketing, back to the scanning react double entry win a secondary prize, all that stuff.

He just goes to see what we're trying to do. So he better understand, he was like, overnight, there were like three full page articles about this stealth GovWhiz company, and the guy's like, calling me over and over and I'm, I just enjoy stuff like this way too much.

I'm just like, poke the bear, poke the bear whatever. But it blew up. It created all kinds of issues for us. And simultaneously, as the coding. began, I started to think about the IP that we were doing. And the end result of it is that I put all the IP into a secondary entity called BN, it stands for build everything in that nothing.

I have been working very, very behind the scenes, it's a four patent family. And the fourth one was literally just numbered and issued last week. So I know I could talk about it. It is a patented, all the patents are wrapped around the creation of mobile apps, by building forms that use a limited dictionary of 150 words in whatever language you speak, in whatever country you're in.

You only need those words written in order and you can build any kind of app or App Suite, series of apps that work together in a central database. The first one was just around how this system worked. And then the second one is around this thing that we refer to as soft law.

Which is the idea that you could get rid of the executive branch, if the city council let citizens make an app. And you actually just took the source code, which is just a series of words, and wrote it directly into the law and said, “This will be the source code.” And we all vote yes.

So the app goes gold and there is no technology firm to hire, there is no software company, for the city manager to go out and RFP and all the rest of it.

Robert Hansen

It takes six months and it’s broken.

Morgan Warstler

It should be able to work all the way up to like healthcare.gov. And you should have an open kind of platform. So we refer to this as a software thing. But the real one for me was that we've gotten the very first software patent or patent on a software building platform that's so easy to use, you cannot patent anything you build with it and you cannot copyright the source code.

It's written, and the way to think about it is it'd be like if you went back and built the telegraph, and did it with an English dictionary that only had 1500 words in it. And because of that, you couldn't say, on Sunday the fourth last Rover, your beloved pet passed, you can only say, dog dead or dead dog.

That's all you can say. And because of that, you can't claim any intellectual property rights or copyright around it. And so the idea that we have is that governments, states, city governments should be able to throw up this thing that looks like a cross between GitHub and Wikipedia.

All the pizza shops in the world can go to one page where they build out little apps that all work together for running their pizza shop, QR code, menu load, order, order. App number two says do the kitchen, the kitchen…

Robert Hansen

And this is all written in code that has words.

Morgan Warstler

Yes. All written in human language, right? You can string these apps together into an app suite. And that the moment you start writing it, it's like Wikipedia, everyone else is seeing too. My whole thing is that small businesses should be provided hosting, schools should be provided hosting, parents groups should be provided hosting.

They should be able to build these apps, but just automatically exist in the ether. And that anytime the city has a bunch of people say we want to use this, city council just says yes, and that code becomes the law. And the premise behind it is that you can run a political party this way.

That Robert, can decide he wants to run for city council and walk around with an app that as he goes door to door knows whose door he's walking up to. And the app shows off of all the possible apps, the ones that this person is going to be turned on to the most.

You got a cat, oh, here's the cat out of the tree retrieval app, or whatever it is and says, literally, I'm going to turn government into this, give me your phone number, I'll give you a copy of the app, you can play with it. And in my mind, that type of that that is a political party that's a piece of software that generates revenue, that literally goes into getting more politicians elected.

In order to deploy more of its apps, and that you should, theoretically, I came up with this after reading Daymond, by Daniel Suarez, where like, guy dies, and the AI software takes off and starts building a competitive system.

In my mind, that's what you should want is to have an open no code platform that everyone can crowdsource their own solutions to, that governments can adopt and basically be forced by their citizens to adopt. And it should, over time, obviate public employee unions.

That very system of the Democrats get the union dues, and the money goes to get elected, the profits from this entity, at a state by state level should funnel back into getting more and more people elected to adopt this platform. It should be, give them as many tools as possible for free to run for office.

I'm a big believer that the right now if you look at voter records in the state of Texas, right, It's a very incredibly complicated file. And it comes along with here's all the registered voters. But then there's another thing that says Robert voted in this election in this election, in this election, this election.

If you tried to read that data, it's incredibly complicated, but we pay for it. And if you want to run for office, well, the first thing you've got to do is go pay some jerk off five grand, in order to have his piece of software give you a map that shows you where everybody lives on the map.

And where you're going to walk, at each house, who you're going to talk to, and who you want to make contact with, which houses skip and which ones not. And all of that should exist at the Secretary of State's website, so that we encourage people from all parties to run for office and not have to spend any money to do it.

It's open available data and it should be on a beautiful precinct map. so I believe that this model is coming. And again, I am not telling you, it's going to be next week. I have learned that when I said “Oh, video on the internet is going to all be delivered over the internet, and broadcast systems aren't going to do whatever.” It took 20 years for that to happen.

But I can show you my digital markets NFT platform description from 2005. And it's still just slowly getting there. So, slowly, we'll get there.

Robert Hansen

So where can people find you?

Morgan Warstler

No. So BN is just getting ready to launch patents themselves, along with software code that everybody can look through and see how it all works. Like the original source code of the software. We're not releasing it to everybody to use, but everybody should understand exactly what's going on in the platform.

From there, I am doing everything I can to identify who I either license it to, or outright sell it to or if the entire thing goes into the public domain.

Robert Hansen

Where will they find this?

Morgan Warstler

It’s bn.io From where I'm sitting, this has been a labor of if I was going to try to build a piece of software that could take over and let everybody on earth be able to make use of it. I think that it works great with a smart City operation for Cisco.

I think it works great with, you can put it in any social media platform and instantly start delivering apps directly because it's just a very small render language, right? It's very, very small. But the key part about when you say you're going to do this stupid thing is, there's no control over the UX whatsoever.

It all goes back to, this actually something I argued with Andreessen with a long time ago, when I first got my grandfather on the internet, it was like 1997. My grandma had gotten on earlier, right. but he, I got a new E machine, and said, “Okay, you have to sit down here and figure out how to do something.”

He said, “I want to get a Callaway Big Bertha golf club,” and literally, you went to the site, and it was a form that you printed out, and put it in an envelope, and then send it right. And he thought, “This is genius. This is the very best thing I've ever seen.” In his mind, there are no more catalogs.

That was what the internet meant. And literally, a week and a half later, I called him and said, “Hey, you know what have you been doing on the internet?”. He's “Oh, I went to the title of site, and I couldn't even find it. everything was changed.”

Ever since then, my attitude has been that if we had built the original internet browser, so that there was a catalog button, and a Wallet button, about the company button, and a forum button, and feedback and this button, that button, that every website would be exactly the same.

The only thing you'd uploaded be text and photos or video imagery or whatever. And the moment that the dumbest guy learned to use the internet, went to one site, one mobile app, every other app will work just the same.

Robert Hansen

I think both Wix and WordPress and similar things are trying to do that.

Morgan Warstler

I know, but in my mind, you've got to completely remove the idea of a website designer, those people just need to be put down. Someone should be able to control their user interface. If Robert wants the internet to look like this, or his mobile to look like this. It makes total sense to me.

Thanks buddy.

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